Dr. Joel Fuhrman joins the show today. To talk about his bestseller book Eat to Live and how the American diet is destroying people’s health with Jason Hartman.

Key Takeaways

01:23 – Eat to Live is the gold standard of diets styles and helps to prevent cancer naturally.

03:20 – The American diet is 52 percent of macronutrients foods which can be very harmful to health.

05:16 – There’s not a big difference between white meat and red meat despite what most people think.

07:24 – People who ate less animal products had lower IGF-1 which is a chemical that promote not only growth, but cancer as well.

13:51 – Having a rainbow color diet definitely improves the body immune system and would help against the high cancer rates.

17:06 – The breast cancer awareness has not put any money in the nutrition studies for preventing breast cancer. Our population seems to think that they can’t live without processed junk foods and it makes it easier for the processed food merchandisers to make more money.

19:54 – Fantastic recipes for salad dressing.

22:08 – Healthy delicious desserts recipes.

25:22 – Juicing should be adjunction to your whole fruits and vegetables not the main source of them.

26:53 – http://www.drfuhrman.com/ for more great advice. Closing thoughts from Dr. Joel Fuhrman.

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Eat to Live by Joel Fuhrman

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Intro:

Welcome to The Longevity Show. Informing listeners on important aspects on health, wealth and happiness to insure you live life to its fullest with fascinating interviews with top authors and gurus of the field. Along with the latest news in the science and technology of longevity. We’re going to reveal expert advice and amazing secrets of living a longer, happier life. And now here’s your host Jason Hartman.

Jason Hartman:

It’s my pleasure to welcome Joel Fuhrman to the show. He’s a board-certified family physician and New York Times bestseller author and nutrition researcher who specialized in preventing and reversing disease through nutritional and natural methods. We’re going to talk to today about his number one best selling book Eat to Live some of his other work we talk a lot about longevity and his unique longevity equation. Joel how are you today?

Joel Fuhrman:

I am doing great. Thanks for having me on, Jason.

Jason:

Good. Welcome, where are you located? I always like to give my listeners a sense of geography.

Joel:

I lived in Flemington, New Jersey.

Jason:

Fantastic, so you’re East Coast guy. Tell us about your work in general if you would and let’s talk about your latest work which is real specific being this all home cookbook, I guess, right?

Joel:

Right, it just came out last week, was just released was my Eat to Live cookbook, which is kind of like a companion book to my other books which also have recipes in them, but this is a full collection of recipes and focuses on my favorite and the best rated recipes and those contributed by nutritarian chiefs around the county. So that’s been a lot of fun to have and see that come out. But in any case my work really highlights what I would consider the gold standard of diets styles. Where I hate to use the word diet cause I want people to improve the way they eat and I want them to do so for the rest of their lives so that they don’t have to have heart attacks, so that they don’t have strokes, so that they don’t have to get demented when they get older, and so they can live their life free of cancer. In other words, nutrition science has made exponential advances in recent years and those advances can be applied today in our own kitchens, affording us the ability to live longer than ever before and forget about weight loss, I’m talking about here that the same foods that inhibit cancer growth, inhibits fat storage on the body and prevent you from storing fat. So it’s not a diet for weight loss or a diet to prevent cancer. It’s the anti-cancer diet which you do for the rest of your life naturally and you could say it has to happen that the weight comes off your body at a continuable rate until you reach your ideal weight and still there for the rest your life without dieting because that’s the effects of eating such a helpful diet.

Jason:

Yeah, fascinating. What’s wrong with the American diet? [Laughs] That’s almost a rhetorical question, but we might as well drill down on that, and talk about how it causes disease, of course, it causes terrible obesity problems. Let’s talk a little bit specifically about the flaws about in the American diet, or the Western diet in general, really.

Joel:

Exactly cause the American diet is now 60 percent of calories from processed food, oh sorry it’s 52 percent of calories in processed foods, like: white sugar, white flour products, bread, pasta, bagels, cookies, cake, cold cereals, chips, soft drinks, and so that’s six-fifty two of the American diet 30 percent is animal products leaving over about 10 percent are, which we call produce about 3 percent of whole grains. But half of the produce is white potato and ketchup. So even the colorful produce is less than 5 percent of total caloric intake. The point I’m making here is that processed foods are rich source of macronutrients that means they contain calories, but they don’t contain any significant micronutrients load. They don’t have vitamins, minerals, phytochemicals, and a whole newly discovered class of nutrients that were found, that we know are now aware in natural foods that are so critical for their anti-cancer and longevity benefits. They’re just not in processed foods and they’re not in animal products either. All these protected compounds are in the colorful plant and foods that we are not eating. So when we rate foods based on their total macronutrients content or the total antioxidants content per calorie we find that tomatoes, and green vegetables, and mushrooms, and onions, and berries, and oranges. We know the foods that have a high nutrient count. And than things like, people don’t realize that pasta, and bagels, and chicken are not ten times lower in nutrients, they’re close to fifty to a hundred times lower in nutrients per calorie, than let’s say colorful vegetables.

Jason:

Uh huh. You mention chicken so, how does chicken compare to the other meats? Did you call out chicken for a reason specifically? Or would you’ve just said meat in general?

Joel:

Well, I think I call out chicken for a reason because I think people have this notion that lower fat animal products like: white meat chicken or egg whites are somewhat okay because they’re lower fat contents, so they think that they’re not going to be as risky as eating red meat with a higher fat content. The real answer is there’s not much difference because it’s not the fat contented in the meat that makes it bad, it’s other features, especially the protein content. Any diet which has a certain amount of grams and high biological protein or animal protein will raise a hormone called IGF-1 in the blood stream and IGF-1 we’re finding out is probably the major factor to promoting the growth of cancer, like: breast cancer, prostate cancer, and colon cancer and that we have to have a diet that is lower in animal products is necessary to keep IGF-1 to a favorably levels that we see in vegans, which is below one-fifty, where as people who eat significant amounts of meats like other Americans all see IGF-1 levels above two-hundred. I think the average American was leveled about two-twenty, which is powerfully cancer promoting. So it’s not just the fact that the meat is commercially grown versus free range or whether the fattest acid balance. The people get into all these features that they, it’s really just one of these features here, is that you can’t eat a diet so rich in animal protein and not pay a price. And, what I’m saying is that a piece of chicken is like a bagel because they both have no significant micronutrients load, they’re both rich sources of calories, but they both promote hormones that promote cancer and fat growth because the bagel will promote high levels of insulin, and the chicken will promote high levels of IGF-1 or insulin-like growth factor one. And if we put a sandwich together like a burger, or macaroni and cheese, or pizza, we mix together the high insulin levels foods with the high IGF-1 level foods. And then we have the most powerful factors in promoting the cancer and I make the joke, I say, that diets couldn’t be better designed if it was created by Al-Qaeda cause it’s meant to kill people.

Jason:

[Laughs] That’s scary stuff. So explains IGF a little more if you would.

Joel:

Yes. IGF-1 stands for insulin-like growth factor one, it’s called insulin-like because it’s shaped like the insulin molecule we can attach to the insulin receptor. An insulin as you know is a fat storage hormone and it promotes the storage of fat and promotes self-proliferation which actually promotes cancer as well and insulin does promote cancer and angio growths for that matter and IGF-1 likewise is angiogenesis promoting. Promotes growth when we are in our childhood, and growing you have the IGF-1, but as the levels rise in our adulthood those hormones produced are being circulated, and when the cells become dysplastic and can become promoted to become cancerous by higher circulations of IGF-1. So, we’re finding that when human longevity scientists and animal scientists find that when we caloric restrict an animal they can live one and half two times longer than those not caloric restricted we find that the main mechanism to be which longevity is permitted is through the effect caloric restriction has on lowering IGF-1. Now in Biosphere experiments we found that when humans were caloric restricted they did not lower their IGF-1 levels commensurable of what we see in animals that live longer and they felt that caloric restricting wouldn’t work in humans until they discovered that vegans and other people who eat less animal products had lower IGF-1 and then in subsequence nutrition studies and sciences over the last five years. We found that both sugar and sweets, concentrated of sugars, as well concentrated animal protein, and dairy products in particular. Can all raise IGF-1 significantly. Especially in higher levels, which means that the diets like the paleo diets, and atkins diets, and dukans, south beach, these diets that promote higher consumption of animal products over the 30 percent of Americans are already eating, are quite dangerous as far as the long term cancer potential out comes. And likewise this data is further supported by epidemiologic studies that show us animal protein goes down, the sugar consumption goes down, of course, so does IGF-1 levels and subsequence of breast cancer and prostate around the world range for two per hundred-thousand to in our country hundred and twenty per thousand. So the point is that we seen the populations around the world and we know why their rates of cancer are lower and why they’re lower past points in human history as well. But it’s not that alone of course, that’s in conjunction with the micronutrients and phytochemicals restrictions because Americans aren’t eating G-BOMBS. The G-BOMBS are greens, beans, onions, mushrooms, berries and seeds. And we can also talk about the angiogenesis inhibiting effects and the anti-cancer effects in everyone of those foods categories, which works synergistically and powerfully together to protect ourselves against cancer.

Jason:

Okay, so before you go on Joel, explain just 30 seconds. What is a micronutrient? I don’t want to take that for granted and bypass it. Tell people a little more about what a micronutrient is.

Joel:

Sure, there’s two types of micronutrients, the macronutrients and the micronutrients, the word macron means big, and the macronutrients refers to those nutrients that we need in larger quantities that have calories generally and that’s fat carbohydrates in protein, so excluding water for a minute which is a macronutrient. There are three other caloric containing macronutrients: fat, carbohydrates, and protein. And I’m suggesting and saying the science is not controversial that Americans eat too much fat, eat too much carbohydrate, eat too much protein. We need to eat less calories the reason we can’t cut back on those calories is because our diets are macronutrients deficient and there’s broad spectrum micronutrients inadequacy in the Americans. And the micronutrients are those things we require for cellular function and maximizing the self-repairing and self-cleansing activating of cells and those are essentially are vitamins, minerals, including antioxidants and phytochemicals: a new class of chemical compounds found in plant foods, that work in many different ways, including exciting the antioxidants responses in cells and involving telomere length in life. So there’s whole bunch of mechanisms which certain nutrients can accelerate aging, and certain nutrients be retard aging, and prevent disease.

Jason:

Hmm huh. The telomere discovery, I guess, is the right word to use. That’s rather new, isn’t it?

Joel:

It is and what’s new is-

Jason:

I just want you to explain telomeres for a moment.

Joel:

It’s not new as. The explanation understands that a telomeres are linked to cellular replication. The vision is not new, but what’s new is the fact that telomeres can age, deteriorate and be repaired and that certain nutrients can lead to, especially certain nutrients in excess can accelerate the rate of aging of telomeres and certain nutrients in deficient can accelerate the aging of telomeres. In other words, there’s optimal levels of nutrients, not too much, not too little of certain nutrients. And so we’re finding out that some things are not good to supplement, they can increase the aging that people are taking their vitamin supplements. So we’re learning, I think the growth of nutrition science and interest in nutrition science as come about tremendously in last five years. As people are seeing the power it has, to able for us to control and utilize it, to control and help our health destiny.

Jason:

Is it possible? I’ve always thought that one could just eat by color and they’ll been pretty safe. I really think that our Creator made the healthiest foods. Maybe there are some exceptions because I don’t know what color hemlock is, for example. [Laughs] Made them bright and colorful as to attract our eye, make us want to eat more. They just look good, fruits and vegetables just look good without even tasting them. they look refreshing, they look good and health creating.

Joel:

Yeah, I kind of agree, I mean, they don’t see twinkies growing on trees obviously. But they are plenty of beautiful poisonous things out there too.

Jason:

Oh okay.

Joel:

But in any case the things that have bright colors: reds, blacks, purples, yellows. Butch of phenols, and polyphenols, isocyanates, and all the carotenoids give color and those are essentially phytochemicals that fight cancer. And you meet a diet where you’re getting rainbow of colors, you’re going to get synergistic benefits of the body immune system working the way it should. And we are essentially a body that’s dependent on nutrients in green vegetables. So if you don’t like to eat vegetables, or you don’t want to eat them then you can’t expected to have a normal immune system. You can’t expect to be normal because your body is dependent on those nutrients for its function. Which people don’t realize and so we’ve evolved, we become so sophisticated, where we tell women to take folic acid, which is synthetic made from petroleum, to tell them that’s substitute, so they don’t have to get their folate, which is another phytochemical from greens, and in doing so, we’ve contributed to the epidemic of breast cancer because folic acid contributes to breast cancer. And we’ve epidemic of childhood cancers because the lack of green vegetables in the mother’s diet during pregnancy and two years prior to conception it allows the proliferation and it allows childhood cancers and even brain tumors in children in their later years. The point is that, we always in our country look for a pill solution, we think that life is a fairy tale, and they can smoke cigarettes and take a pill, and you’re not going get lung cancer or even eat the American diet and take a pill by putting more money into pink bows, and pink fried chicken, and they’re going to come up with a pill that’s going to prevent breast cancer? Of course not. We’ve got to take good care of our health there’s no substitute for proper health habits, eating the right food and this is the message Americans are not getting sufficiently. They think that, especially this breast cancer awareness is attempt to promote getting more mammograms which almost has no effect on increasing women lifespan. When they really need to do is advocate breast cancer prevention. So women know the potential effect of mushrooms on breast cancer and flax seeds, and cheeses on breast cancer, and onions on breast cancer, and cruciferous green vegetables against breast cancer. They know that they should, every woman should been aware of all the powerful factors in foods and how to prepare those foods to maintain the absorption and utilization those factors, so they can live longer and not worry about cancer.

Jason:

This stuff seems obvious, there are technical details that you write about, that are not so obvious, but in generally speaking. This is so obvious, isn’t it? But we’re just got to ask ourselves why is it that way? Why  is it that we’re focus on mammograms and chemotherapy and all of this kind of stuff, rather than just simple prevention. Is it because there’s so much money behind this, is it a conspiracy? I had one guest on my show, that said the typical chemotherapy patient through the course of all their treatments. brings in about five-hundred thousand dollars to the medical establishment. Certainly they are a well money interest here that are benefiting from the sickness.

Joel:

That’s right, and that’s a perfect example, that’s right. Perfect example is this breast cancer awareness month and people buying pink. Where all the money is going to chemotherapy either to breast cancer, either to promote mammograms or looking for a new chemotherapeutic agents, so it’s all gear towards. So there’s nothing in that going to nutrition studies showing how nutritarian diet of nutritional accurate superiority can prevent breast cancer, it’s not about that, and you’re right. And the issue that you’re not bring up is that: processed food and sweets, and salty food, and fried foods, and oils, these food are highly addicting and it’s not just the monetary and economic incentives. It’s also that so much of our population is so addicted to consuming junk foods, the foods that they think they can’t live without, that they don’t even want to think about considering recharging or changing their health habits. And part of my work is teaching people how to remove the food addictions, make healthy food taste great. And realize that changing your lifestyle to one that will be a much healthier for you, is not about giving up pleasure in life. And when you brought up the stuff of why Americans, of why it seems like common sense, how can they be so stupid? It brought me to the point when I was bring my nineteen year old daughter, her name is Clara. When she was four year old, we are going outside of like an exercise playtime or whatever, and she says to me “Don’t these parents love their children?” And I said, “Of course, they love their children” She says, “They’re eating nothing but junk” And I said, “They don’t know what we know, that what you eat makes your body. They don’t know that we know that the foods you choose to put into your body creates your future body and your future health and the quality of your life” and she said, “How could they don’t know what you eat makes you, how can they be so stupid” This is a four year old. So obviously they know on some deeper level, people know what they eat matters, they just be conditioned to think they can’t do it because the information they’ve been given in the past, failed them cause they tried it and they didn’t lose weight, or they didn’t feel good, or whatever. Or they’re getting so many convicting and competing messages that they can’t make up their mind what to do. And it makes it easier for economics forces, the fast food restaurants, the Coca-Cola, the soda merchandisers. It makes it easier for these people to go along with the rest of society and the sheep effect, or the herd effect because they’re really not getting a cohesive clear message of what they should be doing. So it’s complicated. You know?

Jason:

Yeah it’s just crazy. Do you want to share any quick, easy recipes ideals? Not the details of the recipe. Just you got your new book out and I think that would be interesting

Joel:

Yeah because some things are relatively simple that I want people to do. Well, first of all it’s pretty obvious that I, one of my mantras is the salad is the main dish, I want people to at least eat one nice salad a day. And if I want to make salad the main dish at least once a day then I gotta give people good salad dressing to use on it. And I’m also telling people that nuts and seeds extend lifespan and facilitate the absorption of those anti-cancer compounds making it in the raw vegetables. So one of my favorite dressings, so I’m using nuts and seeds in place of oils because they have more beneficial effects, so it’s walnuts in place of walnut oil, sesame seeds not sesame seed oil, almonds not almonds oil, it’s the coconut not the coconut oil. We are using the whole foods because it has a high micronutrients densely, use steroids and stilbenoids which absorbs fats in the gut. And of course we can talk about the other life extend properties. But the perfect example would be, let’s say, russian fig dressing or a cashew orange dressing. Where I just take some tomato paste with some roasted garlic, maybe splash of balsamic vinegar, a fig vinegar, some almonds, maybe a fig or some raisins mix in. And I’ll just will make a simple delicious, tomato, garlicky, almond, vineger, little touch of sweet to counter the effect of the great dressing that makes a salad taste phenomenal. Or fruity salad with a peel navel orange, little cashews, and lightly toasted sesame seeds, with blood orange vineger and squeeze of lemon, mix in, to make an incredibly delicious salad dressing. So I want people to be experts at  healthy salad dressings that are so good for you, you can eat them with spoon. Because most American put an unhealthy high salt, greasy salad dressing, and sometime they’ll put in a three-hundred, four-hundred a calories on a fifty calories of raw vegetables. And I tell them forget the salad then just eat the dressing straight from the bottle.

Jason:

Yeah, it’s the old oxymoron of the fat lady at the salad bar. [Laughs]

Joel:

Exactly.

Jason:

They think it’s good because “oh we’re going to the salad bar instead of ordering a slide of pizza, or a burger, or something” [Laughs] But in reality they can make that salad so unhealthy so easier it’s just, completely backwards, isn’t it?

Joel:

Exactly. And I want to give people healthy desserts. I don’t people to feel that this is a depraved, I make incredible carrot, beets, coconut cream pie, and that’s incredibly. We make such nice ice creams, like with one of my favorite ice creams is just to take very simply is to soak some either mix and dried pineapple with an orange and then to mix it with some frozen strawberries and squeeze of lemon, and make an orange pineapple sorbet or make an ice cream as opposite to sorbet by putting little coconut in with some mangoes, and a piece of dried mango with a squeeze of lemon, and a little coconut maybe soak in almond milk or something and we make together. So I’m showing people that you can really have your cake and eat it too. You can have a delicious apple pie a la mode made with fresh apples and raisins, and cinnamon, and nuts, and a nut maple crust that tastes, you know. So we can make health, whether it’s main dishes, whether it’s dishes from around the world with different favors and spices, whether it’s desserts, or delicious soup, a healthy vegetable, mushroom, bean burger with a healthy  ketchup or a simmered tomato sauce and you know I want people to enjoy good tasting food, I want them to enjoy the pleasures of gardening, and growing some of their own food in their backyards or on their terraces. I want people to recognize that controlling the quality of what we eat is fun, it’s pleasurable, and it’s a part of living life to the fullest. You can’t just shove fast foods in your mouth and not pay a price, with human tragedy, and sadness, and depression, it ruins your brain function.

Jason:

Yeah.

Joel:

People don’t understand that they’re destroying their future when they eat the American diet.

Jason:

Yep, I couldn’t agree more, and that amazing healthy good foods is very tasty. It’s just tastes better than junk food, it really does.

Joel:

You’re right, and the subtle favors it gives you, so we’re talking that the desserts may not as sweet and sugary but the sugary stuff most people are eating are just plain: sugar, and flour, and milk, they just all taste the same and they’re heavily sweeten. You enjoy a subtle rainbow burst of favors of different things in your mouth, when you make a chocolate cake out of a macadamia icing, and maybe with shredded zucchini, and carrots, and beets, and a little whole grain, a date, and coco powder.

Jason:

Oh yeah.

Joel:

People enjoy it actually more and emotional we enjoy it, and intellectual we enjoy it. Cause you know that you’re eating something that has a full sum of nutrient levels, it’s better, healthy for you, you know?

Jason:

Absolutely, I want to ask you one final thing and then you can close with whatever you will like. But what about juicing? Is juicing good or bad, I see the ideal behind it is good. I used to have a juicer, I don’t have one anymore. But I gotta think that did god really mean for us eat the equivalent of five pounds of carrots and an eight ounce glass of carrot juice? It’s seems like there is too much sugar and too much concentration in juicing. But some people they’re diehards, they really believe in it. So I don’t know what to think.

Joel:

Yeah, I kind of agree with you, so if people aren’t eating fruits and vegetables, and they juice, and throw some greens, and carrots, and tomatoes in there than certainly it’s better than not having it. But if you juiced and blended everything then your teeth will weaken, your gums reseed them, and I mean you have use your mouth and chew when the chewing on actual greens even the mixture of the bacteria in the mouth with the greens performs antioxidants beneficial health effects. So it shouldn’t take the place of eating a healthy diet and if you use juicing it should be adjunction to a healthy diet not instead of the healthy diet. But of course, we’re talking about fine point here because the issue is most Americans just aren’t consuming any vegetables, so if all they do is juice is going to be adding some quality to their diet cause they’re not taking in those nutrients they need. But as far as an ideally concern it’s probably better to eat more of them and really chew them. And if you are going to juice not to juice fruits, and not to make it all carrot, cause like you’re saying, there’s too much sugar rush into your blood stream in one shot. So you’re making a point, but when you consider how bad Americans are doing. Some of these fine points are not even- You know what I mean? You know what I am saying?

Jason:

Yeah I get it [Laughs] I get it. So not juicing with fruits though is that a definite? Cause that just too much sugar, right?

Joel:

I agree.

Jason:

Juice with vegetables only

Joel:

Correct.

Jason:

Yeah, okay, good.

Joel:

Just put half an apple in there to favor the other vegetables.

Jason:

To give it a little sweetness, yeah, absolutely. Dr. Joel Fuhrman thank you so much for joining us today. Any closing thoughts? And give out your website please.

Joel:

Well, sure, my website is www.drfuhrman.com/ and my closing thoughts are just to obviously, I’m excited and get so much rewards from watching people robust their diabetes, get rid of their heart disease, get rid of their asthma allergies, fibromyalgia migraines and autoimmune conditions. For the closing thought is that nutritional excellence is not just prevented, therapeutic it’s more powerful than drugs. It’s not just preventing disease, but actually to robust disease as an effective intervention it is the most intervention and one that is not utilize by most physicians. So encourage people to learn more and certainly take charge of their health.

Jason:

Yeah, fantastic, well, Dr. Joel Fuhrman thanks so much for joining us today and listeners next time you’re tempted to take a pill that the doctor recommended, just consider eating some good food. [Laughs] It’s all there in nature and drugs have there place, but food is probably in first place, I would say, do you agree with that Joel?

Joel:

Yes, most drugs are prescribed inappropriately like antibiotics for example and chemotherapeutic. In other words, nutrition is first, drugs are for emergencies and probably we can get rid of 90 percent of more use drug in this country, if people change the way they ate.

Jason:

Yeah, yeah, fantastic. Well, Joel Fuhrman again thank you and keep up the good work.

Joel:

Thank you Jason, you to.

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